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#148621
I just bought 12v 12ah and 6v 12ah batteries that that I was going to put in the grandsons dune racer, making the "high speed" gear 18v. Then I got to thinking, what if I ran the original PW 12v( 9ah?)and the new 12v 12ah battery parallel to give more run time. I know it's best to keep the ah rating the same, but what are the consequences? Kill the PW battery after the first ride? Kill both batteries after the first ride? Shorten the life of the batteries within the first year?
#148627
From what I'm reading from the "experts", it seems mixed 50/50 as to if you can do it or not. At least in parallel. The most common reply when searched seems to be; batteries in parallel: voltage strictly equal, capacity whatever. batteries in series: voltage whatever, capacity strictly equal.

I don't think I'll chance it, but was curious if anyone had done it and what were the results. Seems like it's pretty common to mix ah rated batteries in the solar power house world.
#148632
You should be fine running your stock 12v 9.5ah battery in parallel with your 12v 12ah battery. Nothing catastrophic will happen. Just make sure to charge them separately (not in parallel) from time-to-time.
#148633
I think the big risk here is the OP's assertion that he was considering this in pursuit of longer runtime. This won't help him, since his runtime will be limited by the *6V* battery that he has in series with the current 12V battery.

I would say it's fine *IF* you have a way to ensure you don't over-discharge the 6V battery (and damage it).

However, the benefits are fairly small:
(A) It will not increase runtime by any substantial amount since you are still limited by the 6V battery
(B) It will increase the lifetime of the 12V batteries since they won't be discharged as far (degradation is lower on an SLA if depth-of-discharge is lower for each cycle).
(C) It will improve the Vdroop some under high loads (unlikely to be noticeable)

I would recommend against it if you are not actively monitoring the 6V battery, because you're more likely to run it very low since the 12V will not be "getting low" around the same time -- therefore the decrease in speed/torque/etc. will be less noticeable than your current setup. Running the 6V too low will at least reduce its lifetime substantially.

Now, you could also go buy another 6V, 12AH battery and wire that in parallel with the current one... :lol:
#148635
Thanks all. I'm not sure I understand why this setup will be hurt by the 6v battery. I found a diagram showing how someone else connected a 6v in series to the Dune Racer. Basically, I was going to run the 2 12v batteries parallel to the slow side of the gear selector, then run the 6v in series to the fast side of the gear selector.

Is this not going to work? In my mind, it seems like when on the slow side, it will run 12v at 21.5ah (12+9.5), and the on the fast side it will run the 18v. Now that I think it through, the 6v will only be 12ah, paired with a 12v 21.5ah source...probably not a good idea, huh?
#148638
To clarify, My reply was in regards to only running the two 12v batteries in parallel. If you are planning on running the 6v battery in series also then it is a bad combination. Your math on battery voltages and amp hours is correct.
Mixing amp hours in parallel not a hazardous condition. Mixing amp hours in a series circuit can cause multiple problems and not recommended.
#148902
dont overthink it. Regardless if you run series or parrellel you want the amp hours to match. This ensures consistent power delivery(in series ie 18v) and protects the batteries from damage to the plates(series or parrellel).

That being said if you keep an eye on the battery levels then there is minimal harm running different ah batteries, the problems come when the lower ah battery gets close to full discharge. Since I have a variety of PWs and Peg Peregos I have multiple batteries, so sometimes I end up having to grab whatever is currently charged to keep the kids happy. This means that I've had to run a 6v10ah with a 12v12ah to get 18v. It runs in 18v mode just fine, but the caveat is I make sure I keep an eye on how long it runs so I don't overtax the 6v. Whereas with the 6v10ah and 12v10ah combo I can let them run 18v until it dies.

Cliff Notes - if you want to run different ah setups, get them within 2-3ahs of eachother and run a voltage gauge on the lower ah battery. As long as you yank it before it fully discharges you should be fine. If you want a worry free run until it dies setup then you need to match the ahs, whether you run parrellel or series.
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