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Electronic Scooter Controllers have become a popular addition to our vehicles. Ask specific questions about ESCs here!

***WARNING*** this section is for ADVANCED MODDERS. if you try anything in this section you NEED to expect minor issues with the build up to and including complete FAILURE of EVERYTHING in your freshly built BPRO.

Have fun ;-) :-)
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By wesleyb82
#127277
WHAT IS AN "ESC SYSTEM"???
An ESC (Electronic Speed Controller) System replaces or adds onto the stock wiring with a motor controller and supporting components which includes a variable throttle and separate brake pedal among other parts. The primary purpose of this setup is to replace the factory on/off setup with a variable/gradual start which will level out the amp spikes, wheel spinning and rider whiplash. The factory on/off setup is bad for every aspect of the car; motors produce more heat and are more likely to fail during start up amp spikes (which can briefly exceed 100 amps), wheels loose traction easy which slows down the car and wears out tires, the batteries drain faster during high amp spikes and very importantly the car is jerky which gives riders whiplash and makes controlling the car harder. An ESC system will completely change the operation which is not only easier on the parts but allows for a more capable and more controllable machine.

The most common reason to install an ESC system is the ability to run higher voltage without destroying parts. If you attempt to install 24 volts in a stock system the motors will most likely overheat and melt and the gearboxes will be destroyed (even with “upgraded” gearboxes, which provide almost no advantages over stock). With an ESC system, the gradual/smoother acceleration will lead to a longer gearbox life and also typically allow to safely run 12 volt motors up to 24 volts. Instead of the stock on/off throttle and automatic braking when the rider lifts off the accelerator, the ESC system allows the car to rev up or down smoothly and coast which is easier on the gearboxes and smooths out the ride. Separating the gas and brake allows more advanced driver techniques and more fun!

12v or 24v Full Featured ESC Kits
    Main Features:
    On/Off Power Switch
    Variable Throttle
    Separate Brake Pedal
    Easy Accessory Addons (LEDs, etc)
*These are overhaul kits that can take 30m (Plug&Play) to 4 hours (DIY) to install. They are best for tight areas and or technical/advanced driving as these allow for the most control*

DIY - Parts Only - ESC Kit (Light Assembly Required): http://eastcoastpowerup.com/ESC_LED_Kit ... 0w_ESC_Kit
Plug and Play - Preasselmbed - ESC Kit: http://eastcoastpowerup.com/ESC_LED_Kit ... d_Play_ESC

12v or 24v “EASY ESC” Performance Tuner Kits
    Main Features:
    Compatible with Power Wheels and “Big Cars Green Country” AKA “Best Choice” Chinese brand cars
    Uses factory controls but has two dials adjust acceleration (1-5 sec) and top speed (0-100% of battery voltage)
    Brake activates automatically when the pedal is released
    Easy Accessory Addons (LEDs, etc)
*World’s first of its kind! These kits are very simple to install and can take as little as 30 minutes to plug into the cars (no cutting or crimping!). They do not provide the level of control compared to the full/traditional ESC kits since there is no variable throttle and separate brake pedal, BUT, the speed and acceleration can be set by the supervising adult to dial in the appropriate performance for the rider/environment. It's very easy to dial in a smooth start up with will eliminate wheel spin, stop whiplash and leads to a smooth ramp up and stop every time. This kit is best for open areas (due to on/off power), inexperienced drivers (simple controls) and provides the best bang for the buck.*

Plug and Play “EASY ESC” Kit: http://eastcoastpowerup.com/ESC_LED_Kits/Easy_ESC
Last edited by wesleyb82 on Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:44 pm, edited 11 times in total.
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By wesleyb82
#128425
Yeah I'm trying to find time to do that. I am interested to see the results as well especially the force required to compress the pedals. Also btw I have a couple new pedals which I will compare... it'll be up soon
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By wesleyb82
#129368
This has been on my to do list for a while, thanks for the extra motivation. I got the video done, looking forward to others thoughts/conclusions.
Last edited by wesleyb82 on Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:46 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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By wesleyb82
#129376
taz11 wrote:EXCELLENT! STICKY! :D


Wow thank you I'm honored. I have learned so much from the guys here and it feels good to give back a little bit.
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By taz11
#129424
Looks like you spent some time on these and they answer alot of the questions that are commonly asked.

2 cents on the BaneBots motor spacers... If you use Lexan instead of plexi, the cracking issue should go away. The nylon washers sound like a durable alternative also.
Last edited by taz11 on Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:51 pm, edited 2 times in total.
By GR40LSC
#129476
Maybe, I missed it in the videos, but I would love to have a speed comparison or close estimate.

Example- Stock mustang 4.5mph
Stock Mustang 24v esc x.xmph
24v ESC Mustang banebots x.xmph

Thanks!
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By wesleyb82
#129520
This is a great question but unfortunately since I literally have a closet full of parts we do not have anything remotely stock so although I plan to show a stock vs 24v ESC video comparison I do not have that at this time. Until then maybe someone else out there with both could answer this question or even better post a video comparison. I havn't clocked any of our rides but generally speaking you are roughly doubling your speed with 24v ESC. But, a couple things to note is the controller does not allow for 100% of the power to pass through and the Banebots have a slightly lower RPM per volt compared to stock or other 500 series motors. So although you gain torque (with Banebots), reliability and overall versatility (with ESC) you slightly loose a little top end. Another thing to consider is changing the gearbox tooth count and even tire size (if that's even a possibility based on your body style) to make up a little speed. In the end though there is a huge gain in speed (amongst many other things, like control) so I would take this with a grain of salt.
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By taz11
#129521
This may be a bit off topic but it seems to fit with some of the questions. The BaneBots motors have some serious torque but they also draw some serious amps. An ESC limits the amp draw and puts the Kabosh on some of that torque. It seems that, to get the full potential out of them, an esc bypass button it the ticket. The esc gets you up to speed without shredding the gearboxes and the button bypasses the esc for short periods of time when the torque is really needed. The bypass button is still in the works. I'm not sure if anyone has completed one yet. In theory it uses a DPDT relay to wire the motors directly to the batteries, bypassing the limits of the esc.
By Deek
#132458
This might just be a stupid question, I have tried to find an informative topic on it with no luck I could see..

I am looking into a ESC setup for both my kids ride on's as I noticed they are not to keen with the jolting tarts and stops. (seems to kill their fun and makes my youngest get a scared crapless look on his face)

Q: Has anyone successfully did a 4wd esc upgrade or is it even possible? I have a fair understanding of how the setup works and have read into a few of the topics.

I jut thought since it was not a question that was posted on the Q&A section on the 1st post. maybe no one had ever asked about it & or never posted their luck with trying it.. Any feed back would be great
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By toycrusher
#132465
http://www.modifiedpowerwheels.com/foru ... IC_ID=2485

Enjoy!

Swhenrick may have been the first to ever install an ESC in a Powerwheels, and his method of doing so was pretty ingenious. ;)
By Sven37
#132466
4WD...... Don't tempt me. It might be a little un-American, but a 4WD Mustang would be good in the dirt!

Seriosuly though, great thread and vids Wesley, keep it up!
By Deek
#132468
Thanks Toy that was pretty good info, Atleast for the part that I know it can be done now. I haven't decided what I will be attempting this on.. Might be a second Grave digger.. Or if I can find any Jeeps. But knowing it can be done now makes me a very happy person... When I was young power wheels were just starting to come out. hopefully my kids can enjoy them even more than I did since it they have technology on their side
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By wesleyb82
#132474
Heynow I'm glad Crusher chimed in because since I have never experimented with this I was going to refer you to him and suggest using 2 controllers like he did in his recent Super Power project: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=16771

+ glad the info is helpful that's awesome
By tbird2340
#144980
What type of wire connectors does everyone use and where do you get them? I've gotten some cheap ones off eBay and have had issues with them not crimping properly, etc..
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By wesleyb82
#144981
Most cheap terminals are tin. What type of terminals are you looking for?
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By toycrusher
#144997
Just thought I'd chime in.
Dual parallel controllers was a horrible idea. The more sensetive controller does all the work stressing that gearbox excessively. Makes it essentially 1wd on takeoff at times
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