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#127396
Broken into ESC diagrams and Non-ESC Diagrams

***ESC Diagrams***
Attachments
24v esc + turbo jpg.jpg
24V ESC, fwd/rev, brake, remote kill, parent speed limit pot, and 36v Turbo!
ESC w-5 wire switch.jpg
An abbreviated diagram for using a 5-wire pedal to automatically trigger the brakes
LBD w-brake.jpg
Simplest (sp?) way to add an ESC to most any BPRO. Stock wiring retained, one SPDT relay for brake
LBD w-brake no relay.jpg
Basic ESC passing all current through brake pedal, no relays. Not recommended but possible
STATIC -s -auto reverse.jpg
Traditional ESC diagram, "low" automatically activates in reverse, "high" only in forwards
STATIC-s.png
Traditional ESC diagram, high/low relay eliminated
STATIC-s-acc.png
Trad ESC, Pilot circuit controls acc power relay using 12v acc battery for 12v relays and accessories. No resistors needed.
STATIC-s-rc-p-sm.png
24V ESC, remote kill, parent speed control, no high/low relay
Batt save 2 adj  b jpg.jpg
A means to tie the CJB battery saver module into an ESC ride with a push-to-start button
Last edited by toycrusher on Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:38 am, edited 2 times in total.
#127397
*** More ESC ***
Attachments
STATIC-s-rc-p-4wd-sm.png
24V ESC, selectable 4wd, remote kill, parent speed control, no high/low relay
STATIC-s-rc-p-sm-5wire-j.jpg
24V ESC using 5-wire throttle for brake functions
Superpower dual ESC jpg.jpg
36v dual ESC for a superpower (change brake connections for other rides), voltage reducer for accessories
Superpower Rewire.png
How to rewire a Superpower to a standard 24v ESC when the pain board takes a dump
Turbo boost.jpg
Selectable ESC or direct power. Not completely recommended :-p
Winch motor ESC-Turbo + boost jpg.jpg
ESC with turbo boost, condensed diagram when using 4 wire electric motors
Last edited by toycrusher on Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
#127908
I wish there was a like button here so I could give you a tip of the hat w/o cluttering up the forum with thank you or nice work posts for all the awesome things here but anyway... crusher... thank you for these diagrams and all of your awesome contributions you are probably currently the most active/helpful member here that really makes this forum what it is. Good work.
#127987
I give a huge second thumbs up too. Crusher has been a huge help to me and a priceless asset to this site.
#128000
Thanks guys! I've accepted that I don't have the skills, time, or money to do half the things I would like. But I do have ideas :twisted: I love this forum, the chance you all provide to be a small part of some really amazing creations, or just helping put a smile back on kids faces when their rides come roaring back to life :D

I just realized I didn't finish posting diagrams or descriptions here :o Back to work! :)
#128002
Non-ESC Diagrams
Attachments
2-wire autobrake.jpg
24v for rides with a 2 wire throttle(Chinese(ish)). Relay handles current and provides auto brake. Uses stock shifter, recommend using DPDT relay to bypass shifter.
IGOD0510_wiring.jpg
Stock peg 24v quad
IGOD0511_wiring.jpg
Stock Peg 24v RZR (old)
Peg hi-low auto pedal.jpg
Replace Peg quad/RZR control board with DPDT relay (Can be adapted to other models using Peg throttle pedal)
Peg hi-low auto pedal -b.jpg
Replace Peg quad/RZR control board with DPDT relay - Prettier ;-) (Can be adapted to other models using Peg throttle pedal)
Peg hi-low auto pedal dbl dpdt jpg.jpg
For any ride, Auto hi/low with DPDT fwd/rev relay using Peg throttle pedal
Peg hi-low auto pedal dbl dpdt key jpg.jpg
For any ride, Auto hi/low with DPDT fwd/rev relay using Peg throttle pedal. Adds key switch for fun (or remote kill in place of key)
PW w-key & relay-j.jpg
Add a key to any BPRO (2nd battery in diagram is in parallel for double run time)
#128003
More non-ESC diagrams
Attachments
rzr900.jpg
12V Peg rides with "smart" pedal (power/coast/stop)
rzr900m.jpg
Add automatic backuplights to 12v Peg rides with integrated shifter/relay assembly
Solid-Strobe selector jpg.jpg
Acc light diagram, let's you switch between solid on and strobe function
Sound box boost.jpg
How to take factory soundbox sounds and amplify them with an amp and bigger speaker(s). Abbreviated diagram
Super power lighting jpg.jpg
Lighting control circuit. Allows for all lights to be on constant, or for selected circuits to be set on strobe mode
#129996
High current bypass for any BPRO. A pair of SPDT relays handle the high motor load. Provides forwards, reverse, and integrated braking.

**Caution: Gearbox destruction is likely at higher voltages. It shock loads the system with FULL amperage :shock: ** :lol:

An ESC can be run inline to solve the shock load problem, but a micro switch would need to be added to the variable pedal to activate the relays and release the brake

Dual SPDT Control autobrake 4x4 jpg.jpg
#131471
*** Quite a few of the 6v remote control Chinese rides showing up with horribly slow performance ***

This provides 12v to the single rear motor. It will likely hold up well with smaller riders ;) It retains the original kid control and remote control features, as well as lights, mp3, and anything else that came on it originally.

Dual SPDT Control 6v rc mod 2 jpg.jpg
#133263
I have a 12v version of the Chinese (Lambo Aventador) that I would love to speed up. I'd prefer not to re build it completely at this time, is there something similar with the 12v version as the last diagram for the 6 volt version? Give it more speed, but keep control and sound?
Thanks.!

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Last edited by realred2 on Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
#133265
Yup, exact same diagram will work :)
#133462
Thanks, I just need to add 2 relays (I have a bunch from my old Car audio system) and a fuse for the new battery and He will be cruising faster? The 12v one I have has two motors, do I split the outputs from the relays or do I need to add 2 relays per motor? Thanks!
#133463
Just split the output from the relays. Also, just use the 12v leads from one of the motors to trigger the relays. The other set you can eliminate
#137533
Hey toycrusher is there any revised wiring diagrams for a 18v set up using 3 X 6v batteries,using a 6v (mostly likely a 6amp)charger? I did read another post regarding this type of set up,just wondering if that diagram still is the best one. Involved 3 relays.
Cheers
#137536
Coopz wrote:Hey toycrusher is there any revised wiring diagrams for a 18v set up using 3 X 6v batteries,using a 6v (mostly likely a 6amp)charger? I did read another post regarding this type of set up,just wondering if that diagram still is the best one. Involved 3 relays.
Cheers


Nothing new on that front. Members have done it with switches, relays, and my favorite, a 7 way trailer plug
#139850
toycrusher wrote:*** Quite a few of the 6v remote control Chinese rides showing up with horribly slow performance ***

This provides 12v to the single rear motor. It will likely hold up well with smaller riders ;) It retains the original kid control and remote control features, as well as lights, mp3, and anything else that came on it originally.

Dual SPDT Control 6v rc mod 2 jpg.jpg


Been trying to figure out something on this diagram. What's the device with the two bolts on the right side underneath the top 6V battery?
#139882
Csalemka wrote:
toycrusher wrote:*** Quite a few of the 6v remote control Chinese rides showing up with horribly slow performance ***

This provides 12v to the single rear motor. It will likely hold up well with smaller riders ;) It retains the original kid control and remote control features, as well as lights, mp3, and anything else that came on it originally.

Dual SPDT Control 6v rc mod 2 jpg.jpg


Been trying to figure out something on this diagram. What's the device with the two bolts on the right side underneath the top 6V battery?


That's a resettable circuit breaker. You could put a fuse there instead
#141791
Hi. I'm new to this and I think I have already fried my first board. I have the avigo BMW X5 (http://www.rollplay.net/products/view/6v-bmw-x5). I added 3 x 12v 7ah batteries in parallel each with a fuse on the positive wire (5 in total including the wires connecting the batteries), another 6v motor which I have added using a 2 to 1 adapter I made. Which goes into the stock pc board. All was well until today when it stopped. Lights work, radio but when accelerator is pressed motors just click.

Any chance you could let me know how to wire it without damaging the new board that's on the way? But keep the two motors and batteries? My kids were loving the power :)...
#141796
Scroll up a few posts. It's the last diagram in the thread and it will work for you ;)
#141817
Thanks so much for getting back to me. I have created a wiring diagram of my current setup. Like I said before i'm pretty sure it's fried (testing everything with the voltage meter tomorrow) but considering i only have mp3 player and remote steering still working unlikely it could be much else. Thanks for directing me to your diagram but I'm a complete noob and struggled to follow it in regards to my setup. Do you think you could scribble on the image and show me what i need to add to stop me from frying another circuit board please? Also do you know of any 12v circuit boards from another model that I could use instead where I could plug everything into, retain all of the current features but leave me with no risk of frying it?
Wiring-diagram.jpg
#141826
Your almost there. Replace your 12v batteries with a single 6v. The wires that currently go to your motors need to go instead to the green and blue wires in my diagram that read "connect to original motor leads". Wire up the rest with relays as shown and your good to go ;)
#141840
Ok so a further update. Went over the car with a volt meter and turns out i have blowen the relays on the pc board. I was pumping 21+ amps though the relays that could only take 10 amps. So i'm going to get a fresh board and replace these relays that are currently on the board http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/tec ... 2-1ZST(257).aspx?IM=0

With these http://www.jaycar.com.au/30-amp-spdt-re ... e/p/SY4072 which can take 30 amps :)
#141845
flyingmoose99 wrote:So there is no way to keep my 3 x 12v batteries? I have to remove them completely from my set up? I really don't want to as with only a single 6v I would have little to no power or run-time...


Those batteries would take the place of the second 6v in the diagram giving you 18v power! The 6v is necessary for the board to survive, the relays handle all the current giving power to your motors but protecting the circuit board.
#142123
I'm referring you out Mr Crusher.
Any input on this?


viewtopic.php?p=142098#p142098


He's looking for a motor/gearbox, and speed. Has pictures available, but is in Portugal.
I'm almost thinking adding relays and boosting voltage to a single Chinese is pretty much all he can do. =(
His pictures...
https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21A ... 745A924816

Ordering parts, especially tires, with shipping is going to be killer! If our guys would even send international???
#143274
toycrusher wrote:*** Quite a few of the 6v remote control Chinese rides showing up with horribly slow performance ***

This provides 12v to the single rear motor. It will likely hold up well with smaller riders ;) It retains the original kid control and remote control features, as well as lights, mp3, and anything else that came on it originally.

Dual SPDT Control 6v rc mod 2 jpg.jpg



Would it be possible if someone could take a picture of a car that has this set up? I'm not entirely sure what some of the wires coming out of the relays look like. Sorry...still a newbie at all this but I'm trying really hard to learn all this.
Edit: I watched this video
and it helped me get a better understanding of relays and what it looks like. The diagram looks different as there is 2 relays and 3 batteries involved, so if anyone still has a picture i would greatly appreciate it!!!!! :D :D :D :D
Last edited by jackytutu on Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
#143283
It's kinda small or tiny print, but the relays are"fed" by the original motor wires. I dunno if you can print just that image, but it should be a bit bigger, and definitely would be handy to have the ability to glance up at it taped to the wall, while working on it!

Don't thank me, thanks all go to toycrusher!

And no worries, we all learn at some point. And those that don't, we'll I try to avoid them =0
#143293
You take the original motor wires, and they act as a "controller" for the relays that you are adding.

The relays will control the voltage that the original equipment CAN NOT HANDLE. The stock design will typically fry when you double the voltage to the sensitive circuit boards.

The motors tend to be far more tolerant of the over voltage, matter of fact, there are even some members running 24 volts without issue, to even some of the 6 volt motors. Personally I've been maxing at 18 volt, but not much of what I own is from this decade. Old worn motors don't take kindly to an adult and 24V, ask my sister in law, that burn up smoke stunk like holy heck and lingered!
#145959
toycrusher wrote:*** Quite a few of the 6v remote control Chinese rides showing up with horribly slow performance ***

This provides 12v to the single rear motor. It will likely hold up well with smaller riders ;) It retains the original kid control and remote control features, as well as lights, mp3, and anything else that came on it originally.

Dual SPDT Control 6v rc mod 2 jpg.jpg
Dual SPDT Control 6v rc mod 2 jpg.jpg (34.76 KiB) Viewed 1580 times


@toycrusher ..
need some help please. I'm not an elec buff, but your diagram is quite simple to understand.
As far as what I can tell, I connected the everything as per your diagram.
After connecting everything up .. the RC still works .. wheels turn left/right, but the motor is not working :? :( .. when i press forward/reverse .. all I hear is this clicking sound ..the same effect when the pedal is pressed.

After this I can up last night .. will try and determinate the location of the fault.

Any suggestions on what it could be?

Thanks
#145984
Neilvdm wrote:
toycrusher wrote:*** Quite a few of the 6v remote control Chinese rides showing up with horribly slow performance ***

This provides 12v to the single rear motor. It will likely hold up well with smaller riders ;) It retains the original kid control and remote control features, as well as lights, mp3, and anything else that came on it originally.

Dual SPDT Control 6v rc mod 2 jpg.jpg


@toycrusher ..
need some help please. I'm not an elec buff, but your diagram is quite simple to understand.
As far as what I can tell, I connected the everything as per your diagram.
After connecting everything up .. the RC still works .. wheels turn left/right, but the motor is not working :? :( .. when i press forward/reverse .. all I hear is this clicking sound ..the same effect when the pedal is pressed.

After this I can up last night .. will try and determinate the location of the fault.

Any suggestions on what it could be?

Thanks


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